Post by Purple Cat on Sept 1, 2010 7:08:26 GMT
@brad
The story you relate is the kind of `teaching moment' I was thinking of when I said that such immediate offense/retribution opportunities couldn't present themselves often in Malton. I still do not see how they can present often, nor does my observation of Philosophe Knight operations (which is limited I will admit) suggest that enlightening homilies are normally delivered prior to the kill. Your published criteria for judging "education" seem crude at best: I choose my sleeping place based on tactical considerations not whether it was once a library or a school and I do not, off hand, see how the presence of a quote from Shakespeare, Voltaire, Confucius or the arbitrary intellectual authority figure of your choice demonstrates my ability to do anything apart from use the Google search box.
@duke D'Oeuvre
It seems to me to be essentially elitist to both limit entrance to those who are considered `appropriately educated/intellectual' and at the same time to then pursue an agenda of killing those who you deem to `insufficiently educated/intellectual' and, quite apart from anything else, it leads to concerns that the Philsophe Knights, as an organisation, probably suffer from internal systemic bias. They are a self-perpetuating club of people who agree with each other's point of view (I have no doubt they have vicious internal debates on the nature of free will but they obviously have a uniformity of agreement on what constitutes education and what is an appropriate fate for those who are not educated) and not only exclude those who disagree with their point of view but, in fact, actively hunt down and persecute those people.
The use of `education' or being intellectual as a criteria is also inherently elitist since an appearance of education or the kind of intellectual nature they seem to promote is heavily dependent on environmental factors and, essentially, only easily available to the comfortable and well off. In short they are a group of people who believe themselves to be intellectually superior to the rest of us and much of their set up seems to designed to reinforce that impression of superiority both to themselves and to those who are considered unworthy.
And... er... yes.. the trainee label. We discussed it last time you asked and the discussion was inconclusive - there was some suggestion that "diplomats" should be allowed access to, for instance, the OOC areas of this forum as well as the front desk (that way you could also enjoy telling us what you are thinking right now, what grinds your gears, debate communism and gun control and try to guess the subjects of obscure anime pictures). There was some opposition to the widened access, and some opposition to the principle of granting any special status at all. Since, at the time, we had no reason to suppose you would ever revisit the forum and no other enemy had ever asked for such the discussion was left to be raised again should the situation arise. As I'm not in charge any more this is out of my hands. Spacetyrant, Officer S and Jackboot Johnny are the current Chief, Assistant Chief and Captain of the DHPD and are probably the right people to nudge about a separate mask.
The story you relate is the kind of `teaching moment' I was thinking of when I said that such immediate offense/retribution opportunities couldn't present themselves often in Malton. I still do not see how they can present often, nor does my observation of Philosophe Knight operations (which is limited I will admit) suggest that enlightening homilies are normally delivered prior to the kill. Your published criteria for judging "education" seem crude at best: I choose my sleeping place based on tactical considerations not whether it was once a library or a school and I do not, off hand, see how the presence of a quote from Shakespeare, Voltaire, Confucius or the arbitrary intellectual authority figure of your choice demonstrates my ability to do anything apart from use the Google search box.
@duke D'Oeuvre
It seems to me to be essentially elitist to both limit entrance to those who are considered `appropriately educated/intellectual' and at the same time to then pursue an agenda of killing those who you deem to `insufficiently educated/intellectual' and, quite apart from anything else, it leads to concerns that the Philsophe Knights, as an organisation, probably suffer from internal systemic bias. They are a self-perpetuating club of people who agree with each other's point of view (I have no doubt they have vicious internal debates on the nature of free will but they obviously have a uniformity of agreement on what constitutes education and what is an appropriate fate for those who are not educated) and not only exclude those who disagree with their point of view but, in fact, actively hunt down and persecute those people.
The use of `education' or being intellectual as a criteria is also inherently elitist since an appearance of education or the kind of intellectual nature they seem to promote is heavily dependent on environmental factors and, essentially, only easily available to the comfortable and well off. In short they are a group of people who believe themselves to be intellectually superior to the rest of us and much of their set up seems to designed to reinforce that impression of superiority both to themselves and to those who are considered unworthy.
And... er... yes.. the trainee label. We discussed it last time you asked and the discussion was inconclusive - there was some suggestion that "diplomats" should be allowed access to, for instance, the OOC areas of this forum as well as the front desk (that way you could also enjoy telling us what you are thinking right now, what grinds your gears, debate communism and gun control and try to guess the subjects of obscure anime pictures). There was some opposition to the widened access, and some opposition to the principle of granting any special status at all. Since, at the time, we had no reason to suppose you would ever revisit the forum and no other enemy had ever asked for such the discussion was left to be raised again should the situation arise. As I'm not in charge any more this is out of my hands. Spacetyrant, Officer S and Jackboot Johnny are the current Chief, Assistant Chief and Captain of the DHPD and are probably the right people to nudge about a separate mask.